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Question: What wire size to use from VFD to 2.2kW spindle?

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We use 16 AWG wires between the spindle and the VFD. This wire size has a maximum capacity for 22 Amps, a good buffer to eliminate any possibility for overheating. The 2.2kW using 220V may draw up to 10 Amps (220 x 10 = 2200).

That is, all three wires are sharing the total current draw.

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• What size of wire do you use to connect the VFD to the spindle?

The type of wire that should be used between the spindle and the VFD (Variable Frequency Driver also called the inverter) should be of stranded type and we use between 18 and 16 AWG.

The total current is divided among the three coil wires, therefor a wire gauge of 16 should be sufficient.

Currently we use 20AWG 4 conductor.

What size of wire do you use to connect the VFD to the spindle?

• WHAT ELECTRICAL CABLE DO I USE TO CONNECT VFD INVERTER SPINDLE?

The type of wire that should be used between the spindle and the VFD (Variable Frequency Driver also called the inverter) should be of stranded type and we use between 18 and 16 AWG.

The total current is divided among the three coil wires, therefor a wire gauge of 16 should be sufficient.

Currently we use 20AWG 4 conductor.

WHAT ELECTRICAL CABLE DO I USE TO CONNECT VFD INVERTER SPINDLE?

• what size circuit breaker should I use with the 2.2KW VFD?

The 2.2kW spindle has a power rating of 2.2kW or 2200 watts.

If the VFD AC voltage input is rated for 220 volts, then 2200 watts / 220 volts is 10 amps, so a 15 or 20 amp breaker will work.

If the VFD AC voltage input is rated for 110 volts, then 2200 watts / 110 volts is 20 amps, so a 25 or 30 amp breaker will work.

what size circuit breaker should I use with the 2.2KW VFD?

• What gauge wire between the VFD and the 2.2K spindle? The spindle connection posts are very tiny, equivalent to 18 gauge, but that seems too small. What do you use?

The type of wire that should be used between the spindle and the VFD (Variable Frequency Driver also called the inverter) should be of stranded type and we use between 18 and 16 AWG.

The total current is divided among the three coil wires, therefor a wire gauge of 16 should be sufficient.

Currently we use 20AWG 4 conductor.

What gauge wire between the VFD and the 2.2K spindle? The spindle connection posts are very tiny, equivalent to 18 gauge, but that seems too small. What do you use?

• What length of wire do you recommend for the black toe (2'x4') between the spindle and VFD?

The length of the cable from the VFD (Variable Frequency Drive) to the actual spindle should be about the same as the z-axis cable from the z-axis motor to the z-axis driver which is recommended at 11 feet. This is locating the VFD about at the midpoint of the machine.

What length of wire do you recommend for the black toe (2'x4') between the spindle and VFD?

• WHAT SIZE COLLET IS IN YOUR 1.5 KILOWATT SPINDLE?

The collet in the 1.5 kW spindle is an ER-11 and cannot reach the 1/2" size. I would consider the 2.2 kW spindle instead.

WHAT SIZE COLLET IS IN YOUR 1.5 KILOWATT SPINDLE?

• What wire size between voltage converter and VFD?

Please consult the advice of a professional electrician. The information provided below should always be confirmed by a professional electrician and you assume all risk involved when working with electricity which is potentially hazardous and lethal. Never work with instruments and wiring on live electricity.

The wire gauge used between the spindle VFD and the wall socket, or voltage converter will be determined by the current consumption of the VFD. For example, if the spindle/vfd is rated for 2.2kW and the voltage input is 220V, then 2200W/220V = 10 amps. In this case, it's best to increase the gauge for a current flow to provide a safety factor and consider 15 amps rather than 10 amps. A wire gauge that is too small will cause overheating on the wire and possibly cause the insulation to melt and cause a short. A wire gauge of 14 (copper wire) for 15 amps would be adequate. Remember that the length of the wire is important. The longer the wire, the larger gauge is needed.

It will be very short wires. Maybe 12" long.

14 AWG should be fine.

What wire size between voltage converter and VFD?

• what does it mean when my spindle VFD inverter shows OC-2?

Remember, steps to correct and troubleshoot issues with any electrical devices should be done by a professional electrician.

If you have an HY series VFD, the fault codes are below:

OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
Recommended actions: 1, 2, 3, 4

OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
Recommended actions: 1, 2, 5, 6

OC-2: Over-current at deceleration or over-current at stop.
Recommended actions: 1, 7, 2, 9, 10

dL: Output short circuit.
Recommended actions: 11, 1, 10

Ou-1 or 2: Over-voltage at stop, over-voltage at acceleration, over-voltage at constant speed or over-voltage at deceleration
Recommended actions: 12, 13

Fb: Fuse break.
Recommended actions: 14, 10

Lu: Low voltage.
Recommended actions: 15, 16, 17

OH: Over heat of inverter.
Recommended actions: 18, 19, 20

OL-1: Inverter overload 150% per minute
Recommended actions: 2, 21, 22

OL-2: Motor overload 150% per minute.
Recommended actions: 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 21

dT: Motor over-torque
Recommended actions: 21, 23

E.b.S.A or E.b.S.n or E.b.S.d or E.b.S.S: No feedback from the auxiliary coil or the lectromagnetic contactor
Recommended action: 27

bt: Braking transistor damage.
Recommended action: 27

CPu: CPU fault.
Recommended action: 27

E.E.E.S or E.E.E.n or E.E.E.d or E.E.E.A: EEPROM fault
Recommended action: 27

List of recommended actions:
If error shows at ramp up or at constant speed:
1. Check for a short circuit or partial short circuit and the insulation of the output wire is sufficient.
2. Increase the capacity or the inverter if it is too small. Replace with an inverter that has a larger capacity
3. Extend the ramp-up time
4. Decrease the torque and increase the set value.
5. Check if the motor is blocked and if there is a sudden change in load.
6. Check if there is a sudden chance in the power supply voltage.
7. Extend ramp down time
9. DC breaking is too high. Decrease DC breaking
10. Replace the inverter.
11. Check to see if there is a short circuit with the connection wire of the motor.
12. Extend the ramp-down time or add a breaking resistor.
13. Check the mains supply voltage and insure there isn't ant sudden change in voltage.
14. Send the inverter for repair.
15. Check whether the input voltage is normal
16. check whether there is a sudden change in load.
17. Check whether there is any phase missing.
18. Check the fan in the inverter. Is it spinning? Is it blocked? Does it have any foreign matter stuck on the fins of the fan? If so, clear the fan.
19. Check the ambient temperature in the space that the inverter is placed.
20. Check for adequate ventilation for the inverter where it is placed.
21. Check for jamming or any sudden change with respect to mechanical load.
22. Set the V/F curve correctly.
23. The motor is too small.
24. The motor is hot and the insulation of the motor degraded.
25. Check if the voltage has a large variance.
26. Check if there is a phase missing.
27. Contact the supplier

I have cnc wood carving machine 1325 the inverter showing error 0006

What is uc3 error

My inverter read error oc-1 high frequency how you can help me please

My inverter read error oc-1 high frequency how you can help me please

203

E2 error

Hello , I have an Redsail cnc and I get the following error " UC3 "after that the spindle stops arter a small knocking sound ,would there be an solution to this ?

what does it mean when my spindle VFD shows E o and stops.

Vfd er.01.5c

CPFO error displayed reason

Solve it

My Spindle VFD Holip HLPA01D523C get error E.OC.A after factory reset. and now get error E.OC.n after i change the starting mode from Start from Starting
Frequency to Frequency track start. whats wrong with the vactory setting?

Er20

Fault 503

Fault 503

What VFD do you have?

When I on the motor the derave right oc2 it move then it stop again

When I on the motor the derave right oc2 it move then it stop again

what does it mean when my spindle VFD shows E.Lu.S and stops.

Dear si my emetron ac drive ERR 05 PROBLEM

Err04

Err04

Error 4

Error 4

what does it mean when my spindle VFD inverter shows OC-2?

• [79] What size circuit breaker should I use for this VFD?

The 2.2kW spindle has a power rating of 2.2kW or 2200 watts.

If the VFD AC voltage input is rated for 220 volts, then 2200 watts / 220 volts is 10 amps, so a 15 or 20 amp breaker will work.

If the VFD AC voltage input is rated for 110 volts, then 2200 watts / 110 volts is 20 amps, so a 25 or 30 amp breaker will work.

[79] What size circuit breaker should I use for this VFD?

• WHAT ARE THE SPINDLE INVERTERS (VFD) INPUT AC CONNECTIONS FROM WALL OUTLET?

Input to VFD:
240V Active - R
240V Neutral - S
Ground - E

WHAT ARE THE SPINDLE INVERTERS (VFD) INPUT AC CONNECTIONS FROM WALL OUTLET?

• how much does the 2.2kW spindle and the VFD weigh together?

The weight of the 2.2kW spindle without the VFD (variable frequency drive or inverter) is 11 lbs or 5 kg.

The 2.2kW spindle with the VFD is 15 lbs or 6.8 kg.

how much does the 2.2kW spindle and the VFD weigh together?

• What brand is the 2.2 kW spindle? Same for the VFD. Thanks.

Spindles are generally covered up to 1 year after date of purchase. We do not repair them in house, but we do work with our manufacturer to replace defective units. Generally if you have a defective unit covered under warranty, we will issue a replacement.

What brand is the 2.2 kW spindle? Same for the VFD. Thanks.

• Are there any other manuals for the VFD that comes with the 2.2kw spindle?

We have manuals for the VFD rather than the spindles. Can you specify what issue you may be having so we can help you better?

I am having trouble wiring the VFD. (From the wall outlet to the VFD) I think the manual or setup guide on your website is wrong. The two diagrams show two different sets of terminals on the page.

Also, do you have a video or other documentation on programming the VFD? Your videos and documentation looks like it only covers the 1.2kw version. Are the two different spindles from different manufacturers?

Are there any other manuals for the VFD that comes with the 2.2kw spindle?

• WHAT ARE THE OUTPUT INVERTER (VFD) CONNECTIONS TO SPINDLE?

U - Pin1
V - Pin2
W - Pin3

My home made cnc is a big problem with my NC connection. When in start my spindle it will be gone wrong. It will be limith switch problem anytime. Need help thanks.

WHAT ARE THE OUTPUT INVERTER (VFD) CONNECTIONS TO SPINDLE?

• how to conect the VFD spindle using modbus

It is possible to connect and configure the spindle VFD to the mach3 via an RS485 communication and protocol.

The first thing you will need is the dynamic link library to pair with mach3 called the Huanyang VFD Mach3 PlugIn. You can find this file at the mach3 support forum here: http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,14182.0.html

Follow the pdf that comes with the library file, but here is a synopsis of what you need to do (I also added a lot more information that may be useful during this process as the manual does not cover the main connections that need to be done):

You will need to program your VFD so that it knows how to communicate with mach3 and the computer (go into the programming mode of the VFD and change these parameters):
- PD001 - value 2 - Enables with communication aspect of the VFD
- PD002 - value 2 - Enables frequency control from the communcations port
- PD163 - value 1 - VFD address
- PD164 - value 1 - Baud rate of 9600 (speed of the communication)
- PD165 - value 3 - 8N1 RTU - 8 bits (that's the size of the word that gets communicated), N (No parity or no error checking) and 1 (1 stop bit)

Copy the dll file to the PlugIns folder of mach3.

Connect the RX and TX lines to your computer. There are a couple ways you can do this, but the recommended way would be to use an FTDI USB device which converts a USB to a serial com port. The device will have Rx and Tx connectors to connect to the VFD terminals with the same labels. This method is recommended since serial ports are not as common in computers these days.

Next, you will need to configure mach3 to use the plugin library. Start mach3 and click on Menu -> config ->Config Plugins. Enable the new plugin by clicking on the red cross on the left column next to the plug in. Restart mach3 after doing this.

No you need to configure mach3 to use the HuanyangVFD plugin. Go to the ports & pins configuration and select the spindle setup tab. Make sure that the Disable Spindle Relays checkbox is unchecked. We don't want mach3 to output a signal for a relay since the spindle will start up and turn off within the VFD and not from an external relay.

Next, go to the HuanyangVFD settings by clicking on Menu -> plugin control -> HuanyangVFD. Set the parameters to the same settings you put into the VFD programming. The com port will be shown as new hardward when you plug in the USB FTDI device. A little bubble will be displayed at the bottom right where it will notify you that a new device is being installed (be patient while windows assigns a com port). Alternatively, you can use the windows device manager to see which port was set for the new USB FTDI device). You may need to restart mach3 several times until you get the correct information displayed in the PD001 and PD002 fields. When the com port is correct and the other parameters, like baud and VFD address is the same as you entered in the programming, then the PD001 and PD002 will show the number 2, otherwise, a 99 will appear which means that communication was not successful.

You can now control the on/off and RPM of the spindle using the RS485 communication between mach3 and the VFD.

Will this work with the brand called "best "vfd as well.

Where Can i find vfd plug-in for yl-620a for mach3 MODBUS?

how to conect the VFD spindle using modbus

• how to conect the VFD spindle using modbus

It is possible to connect and configure the spindle VFD to the mach3 via an RS485 communication and protocol.

The first thing you will need is the dynamic link library to pair with mach3 called the Huanyang VFD Mach3 PlugIn. You can find this file at the mach3 support forum here: http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,14182.0.html

Follow the pdf that comes with the library file, but here is a synopsis of what you need to do (I also added a lot more information that may be useful during this process as the manual does not cover the main connections that need to be done):

You will need to program your VFD so that it knows how to communicate with mach3 and the computer (go into the programming mode of the VFD and change these parameters):
- PD001 - value 2 - Enables with communication aspect of the VFD
- PD002 - value 2 - Enables frequency control from the communcations port
- PD163 - value 1 - VFD address
- PD164 - value 1 - Baud rate of 9600 (speed of the communication)
- PD165 - value 3 - 8N1 RTU - 8 bits (that's the size of the word that gets communicated), N (No parity or no error checking) and 1 (1 stop bit)

Copy the dll file to the PlugIns folder of mach3.

Connect the RX and TX lines to your computer. There are a couple ways you can do this, but the recommended way would be to use an FTDI USB device which converts a USB to a serial com port. The device will have Rx and Tx connectors to connect to the VFD terminals with the same labels. This method is recommended since serial ports are not as common in computers these days.

Next, you will need to configure mach3 to use the plugin library. Start mach3 and click on Menu -> config ->Config Plugins. Enable the new plugin by clicking on the red cross on the left column next to the plug in. Restart mach3 after doing this.

No you need to configure mach3 to use the HuanyangVFD plugin. Go to the ports & pins configuration and select the spindle setup tab. Make sure that the Disable Spindle Relays checkbox is unchecked. We don't want mach3 to output a signal for a relay since the spindle will start up and turn off within the VFD and not from an external relay.

Next, go to the HuanyangVFD settings by clicking on Menu -> plugin control -> HuanyangVFD. Set the parameters to the same settings you put into the VFD programming. The com port will be shown as new hardward when you plug in the USB FTDI device. A little bubble will be displayed at the bottom right where it will notify you that a new device is being installed (be patient while windows assigns a com port). Alternatively, you can use the windows device manager to see which port was set for the new USB FTDI device). You may need to restart mach3 several times until you get the correct information displayed in the PD001 and PD002 fields. When the com port is correct and the other parameters, like baud and VFD address is the same as you entered in the programming, then the PD001 and PD002 will show the number 2, otherwise, a 99 will appear which means that communication was not successful.

You can now control the on/off and RPM of the spindle using the RS485 communication between mach3 and the VFD.

Will this work with the brand called "best "vfd as well.

Where Can i find vfd plug-in for yl-620a for mach3 MODBUS?

how to conect the VFD spindle using modbus

• HOW DO YOU HOOK UP THE VFD TO SPINDLE?

U - Pin1
V - Pin2
W - Pin3

My home made cnc is a big problem with my NC connection. When in start my spindle it will be gone wrong. It will be limith switch problem anytime. Need help thanks.

HOW DO YOU HOOK UP THE VFD TO SPINDLE?

• I PURCHASED A VFD AND SPINDLE FROM FRIEND, HIS SET UP IS 220. DON'T HAVE 220 IN MY SHOP. QUESTION CAN USE YOUR 110 WITH THIS SPINDLE??

Depending if the spindle can work with this specific VFD, it might be possible. However we would not like to risk you working unit, with a possible match so we would like more details on your specific model and any information available on the spindle itself.

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The only info on the spindle is 2.2KW 400HZ 220V. Made by Zhong Hua Jiang.

Was originally on a Delta C200 vfd. That is 220 single phase.

I PURCHASED A VFD AND SPINDLE FROM FRIEND, HIS SET UP IS 220. DON'T HAVE 220 IN MY SHOP. QUESTION CAN USE YOUR 110 WITH THIS SPINDLE??

• I'VE BUFFERED A PWM SIGNAL TO 0-10V ANALOG AND I WOULD LIKE USE THAT RUN YOUR 110V 2.2KW SPINDLE VFD. COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL THE CORRECT WIRING VFD SETTINGS GET WORKING?

This will depend on the VFD you have to identify the correct terminal. The terminal on the VFD will be labeled AI1 typically (Analog Input #1). You will also need to make sure to complete the PWM circuit using the GND terminal on the VFD.

I have wired my 0-10V signal to the AI1 and GND terminals as suggested. I have also set the PD-01 and PD-02 settings to 1. Still nothing. Is there something else that I am missing?

Thanks for the information. Can you let me know the model of the VFD that you have?

VFD Model # YL600-2S-2K20

Thanks. I will check our resources and documentation to see if there is another programming setting that needs to be changed.

Does your VFD have a VI terminal?

No, it does not. The terminals for this VFD are as follows (seperated by dashes "-").

10V-AI1-AO2-PLC-DI5-DI3-DI1-COM
AI2-GND-AO1-DI6-DI4-DI2-FM-24V

Do you have a PD070 parameter?

The options for that parameter is:
0: 0-10V
1: 0-5V
2: 0-20mA
3: 4-20mA
4: 0-10V (4-20mA Stacked)
5: XIA
6: (VI+XIA)/2
7: (3VA+XIA)/4
8: (XIA_XIB)/2
9: Max (XIA, XIB)
10: Min (XIA, XIB)

There is a PD-00 thru PD-09. PD-07 is currently set to 0.

It appears that the manual I’m using “Titled YL600” is not the same as your unit. I will check our manuals and find the one that has only PD-00 to PD-09.

For that VFD, the parameters are P0. The 0 may look like a D on the display.

The parameters that need to be changed for the AI1 to work (Brackets [] around the correct selection):

P0-01: First Motor Control Mode
- 0: Sensorless Vector Control
- 1: Flux Vector Control (FVC)
- [2]: V/F Control

P0-02: Options of Command Source
- 0: Operation Panel Command Channel (LED will be off)
- [1]: Terminal Command Channel (LED will be on)
- 2: Communication Command Channel (LED will flicker)

P0-03: Options of Principle Frequency Source X
- 0: Digital Setting (Preset Frequency P0-08, UP/DOWN modifiable, no power-down memory)
- 1: Digital Setting (Preset Frequency P0-08, UP/DOWN modifiable, with power-down memory)
- [2]: AI1
- 3: AI2
- 4: AI3
- 5: Pulse Setting (DI5)
- 6: Multi Speed Instruction
- 7: Simple PLC
- 8: PID (Proportional Integral Derivative Control)
- 9: Communication Given

P0-11: Upper Limit Frequency Source
- 0: P0-12 (Make sure the P0-12 parameter has the correct max frequency if used)
- [1]: AI1
- 2: AI2
- 3: AI3
- 4: Pulse Setting
- 5: Communication Given

P0-27: Command Source Bundle with Frequency Sources
Single Digit: Options of Operation Panel Command Bundle with Frequency Sources
- 0: No Bundling
- 1: Digital Setting Frequency
- [2]: AI1
- 3: AI2
- 4: AI3
- 5: Pulse Setting (DI5)
- 6: Multi Speed Instruction
- 7: Simple PLC
- 8: PID
- 9: Communication Given
Double Digit: Options of Terminal Command Bundle with Frequency Sources
Hundred Place: Options of Communication Command Bundle with Frequency Sources
Kilobit: Options of Automatic Operation Bundle with Frequency Sources

P2-09: Upper Limit Source of Lower Torque Under Speed Control Mode
- 0: Function Code P2-10 Setting
- [1]: AI1
- 2: AI2
- 3: AI3
- 4: Pulse Setting
- 5: Communication Given
- 6: MIN (Al1, Al2)
- 7: MAX (Al1, Al2)
- Maximum range for options 1-7, accords with P2-10

If you elect to use a different AI#, then configure the parameters (P0-03, P0-11, P0-27 and P2-09) accordingly.

I'VE BUFFERED A PWM SIGNAL TO 0-10V ANALOG AND I WOULD LIKE USE THAT RUN YOUR 110V 2.2KW SPINDLE VFD. COULD YOU PLEASE DETAIL THE CORRECT WIRING VFD SETTINGS GET WORKING?

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