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Question: WHY SHOULD I BUY THE SPINDLE?

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The spindle is quieter and has more consistent torque (It doesn't get "bogged down" when it starts cutting into material). It can be used with collets of varying sizes (not restricted to imperial sizes). It is water cooled and so it does not blow air downward to cool the spindle like the router does. The spindle is also machined with much higher precision than typical routers and will have a much longer life.

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  • Why should I use a spindle rather than a router?

    The spindle is quieter and has more consistent torque (It doesn't get "bogged down" when it starts cutting into material). It can be used with collets of varying sizes (not restricted to imperial sizes). It is water cooled and so it does not blow air downward to cool the spindle like the router does. The spindle is also machined with much higher precision than typical routers and will have a much longer life.

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    Why should I use a spindle rather than a router?

  • Should the spindle be connected to ground PE?

    The protective earth should be connected to the spindle housing in some way. Sometimes the 4th pin is already connected to the housing, but not always. It is always good to check by removing the 4 screws of the connector to confirm this. If it is not, you can use one of the connector screws as a way to connect the PE to the spindle housing. The screws of the connector has a direct connection to the housing of the spindle.

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    Should the spindle be connected to ground PE?

  • How should I wire the 2.2kw spindle and vfd?

    You can find the wiring diagram for the 2.2kW spindle and, follow through instructions here.
    https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/spindle-inverter-2!2kw-spindle-novfd#prettyPhoto/8/

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    How should I wire the 2.2kw spindle and vfd?

  • What kind of wire should I use between the invertor and the spindle?

    The type of wire that should be used between the spindle and the VFD (Variable Frequency Driver also called the inverter) should be of stranded type and we use between 18 and 16 AWG.

    The total current is divided among the three coil wires, therefor a wire gauge of 16 should be sufficient.

    Currently we use 20AWG 4 conductor.

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  • What Should I buy to complete the basic laser kit

    The laser components needed for a typical CO2 laser cutter and engraver are as follows:

    - The laser tube and laser tube power supply. We currently have 40W and 80W choices. The laser power supply must be pred with the laser tube (40W power supply with 40W laser tube, for instance)
    -- 40W CO2 Laser Tube: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Laser-Tube-CO2-40Watt
    -- 40W CO2 Laser Tube Power Supply: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Power-Supply-CO2-40W
    -- 80W CO2 Laser Tube: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Laser-Tube-CO2-80Watt
    -- 80W CO2 Laser Tube Power Supply: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Power-Supply-CO2-80W

    - The optics for bouncing the laser energy around the machine:
    -- Mirror Mount (select the 25mm for easier alignment): https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Mirror-Mount-20mm
    -- Mirror (make sure to select the correct size that matches the mirror mount): https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-component-20mm-mirror-25mm
    -- Nozzle (which also houses another mirror, and houses the final focal lens): https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Nozzle-20mm-lens-mirror: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Nozzle-20mm-lens-mirror

    - The laser controller that controls the laser cutter and engraver. This part provides a contorl panel, computer interface and drives the motion electronics: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/Laser-Component-Laser-Control-System

    - Safety Eyewear Tinted: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/laser-components-goggles-safety-tinted
    - Safety Eyewear Honeywell: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/laser-components-goggles-safety-honeywell

    The motion electronics that move the mirrors and nozzle: This selection will depend on the size of machine you will design (the selection below will provide a good medium range):

    - Motors/Drivers (one for each axis in most cases):
    -- 425 oz-in torque motor: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/electronicsAndMotors-nema24-425ozin
    -- 3.0 Amp Driver: https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/electronicsAndMotors-stepper-driver-3!0a

    Typically, 2 motors and 2 drivers are needed for a 2 axis laser system (oves the x and y axes).

    Power supply for the motors and drivers (8.8 Amps and 36 V output): https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/electronicsAndMotors-power-supply-24v-36v

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  • WHICH MACHINE SHOULD I BUY, THE GREENBULL OR BLACKFOOT?

    The greenBull can range is routing width sizes of 5 feet and 6 feet. The blackFoot has a 4 foot routing width.

    Previous Solution:
    The greenBull machine has a sturdier gantry than the blackFoot, so you can be more agressive with the cutting feedrate (cutting speed). The blackFoot is also a good machine, but it all comes down to the speed at which you want to produce the fabrication

    The spindle is also highly recommended for it's quietness and easier cleanup (no fan blowing the dust in the air)

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  • WHICH MACHINE SHOULD I BUY, THE GREENBULL OR BLACKFOOT?

    The greenBull can range is routing width sizes of 5 feet and 6 feet. The blackFoot has a 4 foot routing width.

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    WHICH MACHINE SHOULD I BUY, THE GREENBULL OR BLACKFOOT?

  • How should I control a plasma torch, spindle and a laser on my CNC machine?

    It will depend on how you configure the machine to use the Laser and plasma. Is the laser on a separate gantry? That will determine the way you will connect the laser control system or if you use a typical CNC controller. The plasma will need inputs of THC on, THC up, THC down and outputs to trigger the plasma torch. I recommend the Pokeys57CNC for the plasma and you can also fire the laser with it, but you will not be able to do engraving with the laser unless you use a laser controller. If you use a laser controller, you will need to either build circuitry to switch the digital signals from which controller you will be using, or if you have the laser on a separate gantry, you can use a traditional laser controller connected to the stepper motor drivers on that gantry.

    Users response:
    I was planing on using same gantry, and installing plasma and laser module on z axis along the side with current router. Perhaps if it’s needed installing another z axis on current z axis. So that when I use plasma, router z will be homed and plasma z axis will be able to utilize thc.

    When you say “If you use a laser controller, you will need to either build circuitry to switch the digital signals from which controller you will be using,”
    If i install laser controller, pokeys and router motion card, do you mean all ( axis and router/laser/plasma) signals or just the one that controls router/laser/plasma?
    I was wondering if I could jump (parallel connect) axis signals from card to card without ?
    Also do you prefer ethernet card or usb?
    I really do appreciate your help :) thanx again.

    Buildyourcnc response:
    Not a problem at all.

    Remember that with all of that weight on the z-axis, you will not be able to do efficient raster style engraving.

    By putting the laser on another gantry, say at the far end of the table, then you would be able to use a laser controller that controls its own stepper motors and the nozzle can have fast swing motion for engraving. With the laser on the z-axis of the spindle (like see on the greenBull), you will only be able to do vector motions for the laser.

    You can also have a CNC interface and laser controller controlling the same stepper motor drivers, but you will need a few tri-state buffer chips where you can use a toggle switch for which controller has control of the drivers.

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  • Where do you recommend me to buy the cable that goes from the spindle to the vfd?

    I would recommend using 18/3 shielded cable. The below link for 18/4 cable will work, just combine the black wire and the shield exposed wire and connect that to earth ground terminal of the VFD.

    https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/3d-printer-component-cnc-electronicsandmotors-shieldedcable-wire-4-conductor-18-awg-wrcon-cablewire4conductor18awg

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  • How to ground the Spindle

    U - Pin1
    V - Pin2
    W - Pin3
    Pin4 Dead

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    My home made cnc is a big problem with my NC connection. When in start my spindle it will be gone wrong. It will be limith switch problem anytime. Need help thanks.

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  • What is the HP of the 2.2KW spindle

    The 2.2kW spindle outputs approximately 3 HP (Horse Power).

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  • HOW TO CONNECT THE SPINDLE INVERTER?

    U - Pin1
    V - Pin2
    W - Pin3
    Pin4 Dead

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    My home made cnc is a big problem with my NC connection. When in start my spindle it will be gone wrong. It will be limith switch problem anytime. Need help thanks.

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    HOW TO CONNECT THE SPINDLE INVERTER?

  • What relay should be used with your USB BOB for controlling mist/flood/spindle on/off?

    The relay that should be used with your USB BOB for controlling mist/flood/spindle on/off is one of the following options.

    You could get and use the Planet-CNC.com Output Board found here, http://www.planet-cnc.com/index.php?page=shop

    Or you could create your own setup using a resistor, solid state relay, transistor, and diode. You can watch this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PJO_XoLL6lQ, to find out the correct way to accomplish this.

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  • what are the vfd spindle error codes

    Remember, steps to correct and troubleshoot issues with any electrical devices should be done by a professional electrician.

    If you have an HY series VFD, the fault codes are below:

    OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
    Recommended actions: 1, 2, 3, 4

    OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
    Recommended actions: 1, 2, 5, 6

    OC-2: Over-current at deceleration or over-current at stop.
    Recommended actions: 1, 7, 2, 9, 10

    dL: Output short circuit.
    Recommended actions: 11, 1, 10

    Ou-1 or 2: Over-voltage at stop, over-voltage at acceleration, over-voltage at constant speed or over-voltage at deceleration
    Recommended actions: 12, 13

    Fb: Fuse break.
    Recommended actions: 14, 10

    Lu: Low voltage.
    Recommended actions: 15, 16, 17

    OH: Over heat of inverter.
    Recommended actions: 18, 19, 20

    OL-1: Inverter overload 150% per minute
    Recommended actions: 2, 21, 22

    OL-2: Motor overload 150% per minute.
    Recommended actions: 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 21

    dT: Motor over-torque
    Recommended actions: 21, 23

    E.b.S.A or E.b.S.n or E.b.S.d or E.b.S.S: No feedback from the auxiliary coil or the lectromagnetic contactor
    Recommended action: 27

    bt: Braking transistor damage.
    Recommended action: 27

    CPu: CPU fault.
    Recommended action: 27

    E.E.E.S or E.E.E.n or E.E.E.d or E.E.E.A: EEPROM fault
    Recommended action: 27


    List of recommended actions:
    If error shows at ramp up or at constant speed:
    1. Check for a short circuit or partial short circuit and the insulation of the output wire is sufficient.
    2. Increase the capacity or the inverter if it is too small. Replace with an inverter that has a larger capacity
    3. Extend the ramp-up time
    4. Decrease the torque and increase the set value.
    5. Check if the motor is blocked and if there is a sudden change in load.
    6. Check if there is a sudden chance in the power supply voltage.
    7. Extend ramp down time
    9. DC breaking is too high. Decrease DC breaking
    10. Replace the inverter.
    11. Check to see if there is a short circuit with the connection wire of the motor.
    12. Extend the ramp-down time or add a breaking resistor.
    13. Check the mains supply voltage and insure there isn't ant sudden change in voltage.
    14. Send the inverter for repair.
    15. Check whether the input voltage is normal
    16. check whether there is a sudden change in load.
    17. Check whether there is any phase missing.
    18. Check the fan in the inverter. Is it spinning? Is it blocked? Does it have any foreign matter stuck on the fins of the fan? If so, clear the fan.
    19. Check the ambient temperature in the space that the inverter is placed.
    20. Check for adequate ventilation for the inverter where it is placed.
    21. Check for jamming or any sudden change with respect to mechanical load.
    22. Set the V/F curve correctly.
    23. The motor is too small.
    24. The motor is hot and the insulation of the motor degraded.
    25. Check if the voltage has a large variance.
    26. Check if there is a phase missing.
    27. Contact the supplier

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    My inverter read error oc-1 high frequency how you can help me please


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    203

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    E2 error

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    Hello , I have an Redsail cnc and I get the following error " UC3 "after that the spindle stops arter a small knocking sound ,would there be an solution to this ?

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    what does it mean when my spindle VFD shows E o and stops.


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    Vfd er.01.5c

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    CPFO error displayed reason

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    Solve it

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    My Spindle VFD Holip HLPA01D523C get error E.OC.A after factory reset. and now get error E.OC.n after i change the starting mode from Start from Starting
    Frequency to Frequency track start. whats wrong with the vactory setting?

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    Er20

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    Fault 503

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    Fault 503

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    What VFD do you have?

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  • HOW DO YOU HOOK UP THE VFD TO SPINDLE?

    U - Pin1
    V - Pin2
    W - Pin3
    Pin4 Dead

    Additional Information:
    My home made cnc is a big problem with my NC connection. When in start my spindle it will be gone wrong. It will be limith switch problem anytime. Need help thanks.

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    HOW DO YOU HOOK UP THE VFD TO SPINDLE?

  • HOW DO YOU SETUP THE SPINDLE INVERTER?

    Change PD001 Source of Run Commands to '1'
    Change PD005 Max operating frequency to 400hz
    Change PD004 base frequency to 400hz
    Change PD003 Main frequency to 400hz
    Change PD006 Intermediate frequency to 2.5
    Change PD008 max voltage to 220v
    Change PD009 Intermediate voltage to 15v
    Change PD010 Min voltage to 8
    Change PD011 frequency lower limit to >100hz (120hz to start)
    Change PD142 7 Amps
    Change PD143 2
    Change PD144 3000

    Note: PD001 had to be changed back to 0 to allow for keypad control.
    Note2: I had to reverse U and V to get the spindle to go forward in FWD. (reverse any two wires, u&v or w&v for example)

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  • HOW DO YOU HOOK UP THE VFD TO SPINDLE?

    blueChick:

    X-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/16 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 11001100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1422.22 steps/in

    Y-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/16 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 11001100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1422.22 steps/in

    Z-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/4 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 10101100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1600 steps/in

    blackToe:

    X-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/16 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 11001100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1422.22 steps/in

    Y-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/16 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 11001100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1422.22 steps/in

    Z-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/4 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 10101100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1600 steps/in

    blackFoot:

    X-axis
    “CW8060 (6.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/16 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 11001100 (“0”=down, “1”=up)
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 914.29 steps/in

    Y-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/16 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 11001100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1422.22 steps/in

    Z-axis
    “CW230 (3.0A) Driver”
    Set to 1/4 Microstep, 2.7A
    Dipswitches: 10101100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1600 steps/in

    greenBull:

    X-axis
    “CW8060 (6.0A) Driver”
    Set to 5.43A, 1/16 Microstep
    Dipswitches: 01100110 (“0”=down, “1”=up)
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 914.29 steps/in

    Y-axis
    “CW8060 (6.0A) Driver”
    Set to 5.43A, 1/16 Microstep
    Dipswitches: 01100110
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 914.29 steps/in

    Z-axis
    “CW8060 (6.0A) Driver”
    Set to 5.43A, 1/4 Microstep
    Dipswitches: 01100100
    Mach3 Motor Tuning: 1600 steps/in

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  • Can LinuxCNC EMC2 control the spindle?

    LinuxCNC has excellent documents; however, I would like to offer our help in case you don't understand the information on that page. So, please use this FAQ (Question #: 13233) to state your questions by submitting additional information below.

    The LinuxCNC spindle control page is found here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/examples/spindle.html

    Additional Information:
    After reading the LinuxCNC page my first questions would be can the spindle be controlled by PWM signal? Also, what pin on the parallel port would I set to Spindle Enable and FRW?

    Additional Information:
    To connect your computer to the VFD, use a USB to RS-485 interface. RS-485 is just a serial interface protocol that uses standard 0 to +5 voltage TTL signal levels for communication (as opposed to RS-232 which uses -12v and +12 for signal level changes).

    Get a high quality interface to reduce any issues during the process. The VFD should have two terminals labeled RS+ and RS-. The USB to RS-485 adapter should have this labeled on it as well so the connections should be relatively straight forward.

    In the VFD parameters:
    PD001: 2 to accept RS485 commands
    PD002: 2 to accept frequency comands
    PD163: 1 to RS485 slave address:1
    PD164: 1 RS485 baud rate 9600
    PD165: 3 8bit, no parity, 1 stop bit

    Make sure LinuxCNC is also set accordingly:

    The PIN14 and PIN16 in the stepconf wizard should be set to unused because you don't want LinuxCNC to be outputting unnecessary signals.

    In the options step of the stepconf wizard:
    - Check the Include Halui user interface component.
    - Check the Include custom PyVCP GUI panel.
    - Check Spindle speed display

    You will want to edit the custom.hal text file located in the folder that was created from the stepconf wizard. Add these following lines:
    loadusr -Wn vfd hy_vfd -n vfd -d /dev/ttyUSB0 -p none -r 9600
    net spindle-cmd-rpm-abs => vfd.speed-command
    net spindle-cw motion.spindle-forward => vfd.spindle-forward
    net spindle-ccw motion.spindle-reverse => vfd.spindle-reverse
    net on motion.spindle-on => vfd.spindle-on

    The dev folder in linux is typically used for interfacing devices and peripherals to the computer as these devices are communicated by simple memory addresses and these files are linked directly to these addresses.

    Under the custom_postgui.hal file, change this line:

    from: sets spindle-at-speed true
    to: net spindle-at-speed => cfd.spindle_at_speed

    and add the line:

    setp vfd.enable 1

    When you start LinuxCNC, you will a spindle section with the reverse and forward buttons, a stop button and - and + buttons. Use these buttons to conform that the spindle is functioning properly. The spindle speed indicator in LinuxCNC will show the spindle speed and you can confirm that this is equal to the speed indicated on the VFD.


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  • how much does the 2.2kW spindle weigh?

    The weight of the 2.2kW spindle without the VFD (variable frequency drive or inverter) is 11 lbs or 5 kg.

    The 2.2kW spindle with the VFD is 15 lbs or 6.8 kg.

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