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Question: My VFD has started to dL error at startup, what could be the issue?

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The DL error usually means that there is a short in the wiring going from the VFD to the Spindle. First remove the spindle connection and run the VFD. If "DL" does not appear then this means the short is on the spindle itself. Remember to double check your wiring and to use heat shrink on the soldering points to prevent any shorts or arcing between the points.

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My dovol VFD is telling me do what should I do

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  • My stepper motors are randomly and frequently stalling while using the Pokeys57CNC controller board, any idea what could be the issue?

    I would suspect that the velocity and/or acceleration is too high for the amp setting on the driver. Consider increasing the current amp setting on the driver is the motor can handle the current, or decrease the velocity and/or acceleration.

    You might also want to check to see if you have any mechanical binding on the machine. To check, remove the mechanical drive mechanism so the axis slides freely and slide it from end to end to feel if you have any tight areas or binding.

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    My stepper motors are randomly and frequently stalling while using the Pokeys57CNC controller board, any idea what could be the issue?

  • I WIRED MY VFD (2.2KW VERSION) AND TRIED TEST RUNNING THE SPINDLE. CONFIGURED TO YOUR SPECS ON THIS WEBSITE, ONLY ISSUE IS WE GOT AN ERROR CODE. ERR 02, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS? OR HAVE A LIST OF CODES? THANK

    Can you provide the model number of your VFD?

    Yes, I have the "YL600 - 2S - 2K20"

    It just came with a small booklet that is all in Chinese...

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    I WIRED MY VFD (2.2KW VERSION) AND TRIED TEST RUNNING THE SPINDLE. CONFIGURED TO YOUR SPECS ON THIS WEBSITE, ONLY ISSUE IS WE GOT AN ERROR CODE. ERR 02, DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS? OR HAVE A LIST OF CODES? THANK

  • I wired my vfd (2.2kw version) and tried test running the spindle. I configured to your specs on this website, only issue is we got an error code. Err 02, do you know what this is? OR have a list of error codes? Thank you

    Can you provide the model number of your VFD?

    Yes, I have the "YL600 - 2S - 2K20"

    It just came with a small booklet that is all in Chinese...

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    I wired my vfd (2.2kw version) and tried test running the spindle. I configured to your specs on this website, only issue is we got an error code. Err 02, do you know what this is? OR have a list of error codes? Thank you

  • one of my motors from the blackfoot kit goes back and forth rather than turning, the wiring hasnt changed since i bought it, what could be wrong?

    The motor shaft does not turn, but slides back and forth in an axial motion? Please submit additional information on this page.

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    it goes one step then the next step in the other direction so it seems to just vibrate

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    It sounds like this could be a bad driver? You can determine if this is the cause by connecting another motor to this driver to see if it still happens to the new motor plugged into that driver. This will either rule out the motor causing this, or if it is the driver.

    You can also possibly rule out the driver as well if you change the step and direction wires from another driver to the problem driver.

    Make sure you do these steps one at a time. It's best to consider a single variable at a time.

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    one of my motors from the blackfoot kit goes back and forth rather than turning, the wiring hasnt changed since i bought it, what could be wrong?

  • what does the error code on my vfd mean?

    Remember, steps to correct and troubleshoot issues with any electrical devices should be done by a professional electrician.

    If you have an HY series VFD, the fault codes are below:

    OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
    Recommended actions: 1, 2, 3, 4

    OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
    Recommended actions: 1, 2, 5, 6

    OC-2: Over-current at deceleration or over-current at stop.
    Recommended actions: 1, 7, 2, 9, 10

    dL: Output short circuit.
    Recommended actions: 11, 1, 10

    Ou-1 or 2: Over-voltage at stop, over-voltage at acceleration, over-voltage at constant speed or over-voltage at deceleration
    Recommended actions: 12, 13

    Fb: Fuse break.
    Recommended actions: 14, 10

    Lu: Low voltage.
    Recommended actions: 15, 16, 17

    OH: Over heat of inverter.
    Recommended actions: 18, 19, 20

    OL-1: Inverter overload 150% per minute
    Recommended actions: 2, 21, 22

    OL-2: Motor overload 150% per minute.
    Recommended actions: 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 21

    dT: Motor over-torque
    Recommended actions: 21, 23

    E.b.S.A or E.b.S.n or E.b.S.d or E.b.S.S: No feedback from the auxiliary coil or the lectromagnetic contactor
    Recommended action: 27

    bt: Braking transistor damage.
    Recommended action: 27

    CPu: CPU fault.
    Recommended action: 27

    E.E.E.S or E.E.E.n or E.E.E.d or E.E.E.A: EEPROM fault
    Recommended action: 27


    List of recommended actions:
    If error shows at ramp up or at constant speed:
    1. Check for a short circuit or partial short circuit and the insulation of the output wire is sufficient.
    2. Increase the capacity or the inverter if it is too small. Replace with an inverter that has a larger capacity
    3. Extend the ramp-up time
    4. Decrease the torque and increase the set value.
    5. Check if the motor is blocked and if there is a sudden change in load.
    6. Check if there is a sudden chance in the power supply voltage.
    7. Extend ramp down time
    9. DC breaking is too high. Decrease DC breaking
    10. Replace the inverter.
    11. Check to see if there is a short circuit with the connection wire of the motor.
    12. Extend the ramp-down time or add a breaking resistor.
    13. Check the mains supply voltage and insure there isn't ant sudden change in voltage.
    14. Send the inverter for repair.
    15. Check whether the input voltage is normal
    16. check whether there is a sudden change in load.
    17. Check whether there is any phase missing.
    18. Check the fan in the inverter. Is it spinning? Is it blocked? Does it have any foreign matter stuck on the fins of the fan? If so, clear the fan.
    19. Check the ambient temperature in the space that the inverter is placed.
    20. Check for adequate ventilation for the inverter where it is placed.
    21. Check for jamming or any sudden change with respect to mechanical load.
    22. Set the V/F curve correctly.
    23. The motor is too small.
    24. The motor is hot and the insulation of the motor degraded.
    25. Check if the voltage has a large variance.
    26. Check if there is a phase missing.
    27. Contact the supplier

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    I have cnc wood carving machine 1325 the inverter showing error 0006

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    What is uc3 error

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    My inverter read error oc-1 high frequency how you can help me please


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    My inverter read error oc-1 high frequency how you can help me please


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    203

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    E2 error

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    Hello , I have an Redsail cnc and I get the following error " UC3 "after that the spindle stops arter a small knocking sound ,would there be an solution to this ?

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    what does it mean when my spindle VFD shows E o and stops.

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    what does the error code on my vfd mean?

  • what are the vfd spindle error codes

    Remember, steps to correct and troubleshoot issues with any electrical devices should be done by a professional electrician.

    If you have an HY series VFD, the fault codes are below:

    OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
    Recommended actions: 1, 2, 3, 4

    OC-1: Over-current during ramp up or over-current at constant speed.
    Recommended actions: 1, 2, 5, 6

    OC-2: Over-current at deceleration or over-current at stop.
    Recommended actions: 1, 7, 2, 9, 10

    dL: Output short circuit.
    Recommended actions: 11, 1, 10

    Ou-1 or 2: Over-voltage at stop, over-voltage at acceleration, over-voltage at constant speed or over-voltage at deceleration
    Recommended actions: 12, 13

    Fb: Fuse break.
    Recommended actions: 14, 10

    Lu: Low voltage.
    Recommended actions: 15, 16, 17

    OH: Over heat of inverter.
    Recommended actions: 18, 19, 20

    OL-1: Inverter overload 150% per minute
    Recommended actions: 2, 21, 22

    OL-2: Motor overload 150% per minute.
    Recommended actions: 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 21

    dT: Motor over-torque
    Recommended actions: 21, 23

    E.b.S.A or E.b.S.n or E.b.S.d or E.b.S.S: No feedback from the auxiliary coil or the lectromagnetic contactor
    Recommended action: 27

    bt: Braking transistor damage.
    Recommended action: 27

    CPu: CPU fault.
    Recommended action: 27

    E.E.E.S or E.E.E.n or E.E.E.d or E.E.E.A: EEPROM fault
    Recommended action: 27


    List of recommended actions:
    If error shows at ramp up or at constant speed:
    1. Check for a short circuit or partial short circuit and the insulation of the output wire is sufficient.
    2. Increase the capacity or the inverter if it is too small. Replace with an inverter that has a larger capacity
    3. Extend the ramp-up time
    4. Decrease the torque and increase the set value.
    5. Check if the motor is blocked and if there is a sudden change in load.
    6. Check if there is a sudden chance in the power supply voltage.
    7. Extend ramp down time
    9. DC breaking is too high. Decrease DC breaking
    10. Replace the inverter.
    11. Check to see if there is a short circuit with the connection wire of the motor.
    12. Extend the ramp-down time or add a breaking resistor.
    13. Check the mains supply voltage and insure there isn't ant sudden change in voltage.
    14. Send the inverter for repair.
    15. Check whether the input voltage is normal
    16. check whether there is a sudden change in load.
    17. Check whether there is any phase missing.
    18. Check the fan in the inverter. Is it spinning? Is it blocked? Does it have any foreign matter stuck on the fins of the fan? If so, clear the fan.
    19. Check the ambient temperature in the space that the inverter is placed.
    20. Check for adequate ventilation for the inverter where it is placed.
    21. Check for jamming or any sudden change with respect to mechanical load.
    22. Set the V/F curve correctly.
    23. The motor is too small.
    24. The motor is hot and the insulation of the motor degraded.
    25. Check if the voltage has a large variance.
    26. Check if there is a phase missing.
    27. Contact the supplier

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    I have cnc wood carving machine 1325 the inverter showing error 0006

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    What is uc3 error

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    My inverter read error oc-1 high frequency how you can help me please


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    My inverter read error oc-1 high frequency how you can help me please


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    203

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    E2 error

    Additional Information:
    Hello , I have an Redsail cnc and I get the following error " UC3 "after that the spindle stops arter a small knocking sound ,would there be an solution to this ?

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    what does it mean when my spindle VFD shows E o and stops.

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    what are the vfd spindle error codes

  • What length of wire do you recommend for the black toe (2'x4') between the spindle and VFD?

    The length of the cable from the VFD (Variable Frequency Drive) to the actual spindle should be about the same as the z-axis cable from the z-axis motor to the z-axis driver which is recommended at 11 feet. This is locating the VFD about at the midpoint of the machine.

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    What length of wire do you recommend for the black toe (2'x4') between the spindle and VFD?

  • What is the cp- and cw- on the 2.5 Stepper motor driver modular unit. my motor will not run. i believe this is my wireing issue

    Nema-17/23 are wired, notice that the nema-23 has a white and orange wire (those are not needed):
    Black to A+
    Green to A-
    Red to B+
    Blue to B-

    Also if using a parallel breakout board the wiring from the driver (https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/electronicsAndMotors-parallel-breakout-relay#prettyPhoto/2/):
    (X-axis 2-CP-,3-CW-)
    For our USB breakout board (https://www.buildyourcnc.com/item/electronicsAndMotors-electronic-component-USB-Controller-Breakout#prettyPhoto/2/):
    (x-axis CP-,CW- to ground)

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    I have USB breakout board connected as: CW-> 5V, CP -> CP, and GRD to GRD/COMM next to 12-24V Pin.
    The motor works perfectly in one direction.
    Will not jog in the other Direction.
    I still do not know what is CP- and CW- as it is not labeled on the board, unlike your other motor controllers.
    Can you submit a wiring diagram for the 2.5 AMP controller


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    is there a wiring diagram to connect a usb break out board which has 4 pins for each axis output to thedb 25 connector on a driver board used with parallel port configuration

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    What is the cp- and cw- on the 2.5 Stepper motor driver modular unit. my motor will not run. i believe this is my wireing issue

  • What size of wire do you use to connect the VFD to the spindle?

    The type of wire that should be used between the spindle and the VFD (Variable Frequency Driver also called the inverter) should be of stranded type and we use between 18 and 16 AWG.

    The total current is divided among the three coil wires, therefor a wire gauge of 16 should be sufficient.

    Currently we use 20AWG 4 conductor.

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    What size of wire do you use to connect the VFD to the spindle?

  • USING MACH3, MY MACHINE STOPS IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROJECT. HOW CAN IT BE STARTED AGAIN FROM POINT STOPPED?

    Dealing with a mid-stop cut via Mach3, you will have to be careful if it is intentionally or unintentional. If you desire to stop your machine while in the middle of a cut be sure to stop it when the machine is moving in an upward motion on the z-axis and the X/Y-axis are stationary. Then you can choose the point (G-code) where the machine was left off and click on the Run from here button on the Program Run screen (left hand side) right above the Reset button.
    (Make sure spindle/router is running before hand!)

    Now if the machine stops unintentionally, and was moving in either the X/Y-axis, then it will be difficult to run the machine from the original point dealing with the coordinates might have been lost due the the machine continuing motion but via Mach3 the machine has stopped.

    If this occurs to fight this issue before hand, is marking your home with the spindle/router to make a hole were your home is. Although moving it manually back to home the machine can be off by the smallest amount and could cause an inconsistent cut. If accuracy is something that can not be risked, then you can home the machine about a 1/4" or 1/2" down from the original home to start your cut on the same material but loosing that small piece.

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    My typical go to solution is:

    - Note the current g-code line where the machine stopped.
    - If Mach3 errored and you cannot control the machine, Exit Mach3 - you may find that reset, stop does nothing to stop the spindle. When you exit mach3, the spindle will stop automatically.
    - Restart Mach3. The DRO (Digital Readout) should show the correct coordinates where the machine position was before exiting Mach3.
    - Scroll to the g-code line where the machine stopped. You may need to go a few lines prior to make sure you are not skipping any machining operations (which is why it is a good idea to learn the basics of g-code - don't worry, it's easy)
    - Click on the "Run from Here" button.
    - Mach3 will present you with a "Preparation Move" dialog box with the location that it will move to. If the coordinates shows a position that is into the material, make sure to specify a rapid height (clearance height) so the machine will move up first and then move to the location before moving down into the material. If the spindle is automatically controlled by Mach3, make sure to check the turn spindle on checkbox. If not, make sure the router or spindle is on before clicking OK.

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    My cnc router stops at gcode line 50,000 and cannot finish program. They are about 150k of lines total. I have Mach3 and have bought the additional line capability. Is 50,000 (or around that) the limit? Is Mach 4 hobby license better and in what ways? Thanks! Mike Huber

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    If you have a license for Mach3, then you should be able to run g-code indefinitely. I think there is something else going on.

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    USING MACH3, MY MACHINE STOPS IN THE MIDDLE OF A PROJECT. HOW CAN IT BE STARTED AGAIN FROM POINT STOPPED?

  • HI, I HAVE INTENTION OF PURCHASING YOUR 1/2 INCH PRECISION LEAD SCREW SET TO BUILD MY CNC MACHINE, COULD THE SCHEMATIC DIMENSION ANTI-BACKLASH NUT, BEARING FOR AND SHIM? ALSO IS 2.2KW SPINDLE ABLE MILL ALUMINUM WHAT ACCURACY?

    BYCNC response:

    Milling aluminum is no problem with our machines.

    Here is a video we recently did with our 4'x8' machine. The aluminum piece is about 1/4" thick: https://buildyourcnc.com/tutorials/tutorial-greenbull-aluminum-cutting

    The accuracy you will see from our our 2.2kW spindle is entirely dependent on the precision of your build, so it's not possible to say what level of accuracy you can achieve without an examination of the complete system. However, our spindles have a runout of less than .0001 in, which includes the collets that we sell. If you use a collet from another manufacturer, we cannot guarantee this TIR (Total Indicated Runout) dimension.

    For the dimension drawing of the anti-backlash nut, please contact us directly by phone or email to techsupport@buildyourcnc.com

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    I have emailed waiting for your reply.

    User response:
    Hi, I am still waiting for your email reply.

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    Your email has been sent.

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    HI, I HAVE INTENTION OF PURCHASING YOUR 1/2 INCH PRECISION LEAD SCREW SET TO BUILD MY CNC MACHINE, COULD THE SCHEMATIC DIMENSION ANTI-BACKLASH NUT, BEARING FOR AND SHIM? ALSO IS 2.2KW SPINDLE ABLE MILL ALUMINUM WHAT ACCURACY?

  • HI, I HAVE INTENTION OF PURCHASING YOUR 1/2 INCH PRECISION LEAD SCREW SET TO BUILD MY CNC MACHINE, COULD THE SCHEMATIC DIMENSION ANTI-BACKLASH NUT, BEARING FOR AND SHIM? ALSO IS 2.2KW SPINDLE ABLE MILL ALUMINUM WHAT ACCURACY?

    BYCNC response:

    Milling aluminum is no problem with our machines.

    Here is a video we recently did with our 4'x8' machine. The aluminum piece is about 1/4" thick: https://buildyourcnc.com/tutorials/tutorial-greenbull-aluminum-cutting

    The accuracy you will see from our our 2.2kW spindle is entirely dependent on the precision of your build, so it's not possible to say what level of accuracy you can achieve without an examination of the complete system. However, our spindles have a runout of less than .0001 in, which includes the collets that we sell. If you use a collet from another manufacturer, we cannot guarantee this TIR (Total Indicated Runout) dimension.

    For the dimension drawing of the anti-backlash nut, please contact us directly by phone or email to techsupport@buildyourcnc.com

    User response:
    I have emailed waiting for your reply.

    User response:
    Hi, I am still waiting for your email reply.

    BYCNC response:
    Your email has been sent.

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    HI, I HAVE INTENTION OF PURCHASING YOUR 1/2 INCH PRECISION LEAD SCREW SET TO BUILD MY CNC MACHINE, COULD THE SCHEMATIC DIMENSION ANTI-BACKLASH NUT, BEARING FOR AND SHIM? ALSO IS 2.2KW SPINDLE ABLE MILL ALUMINUM WHAT ACCURACY?

  • WHAT ARE THE OUTPUT INVERTER (VFD) CONNECTIONS TO SPINDLE?

    U - Pin1
    V - Pin2
    W - Pin3
    Pin4 Dead

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    My home made cnc is a big problem with my NC connection. When in start my spindle it will be gone wrong. It will be limith switch problem anytime. Need help thanks.

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    WHAT ARE THE OUTPUT INVERTER (VFD) CONNECTIONS TO SPINDLE?

  • Besides the blackfoot what else will I need to purchase.

    PC with parallel port and USB port
    20awg stranded wires for the motors - http://www.buildyourcnc.com/electronicscombo.aspx
    18awg stranded wires for power supply to drivers
    24awg stranded wires for breakout board to drivers
    (location and spacing of components varies from one person to another, so we do not provide cables/wires)
    - General purpose extension cord (cut the female end off) to provide power to power supply
    - USB cable to power breakout board
    - Parallel cable to communicate to breakout board
    - Router
    - (optional - instead of router) Spindle with power inverter http://www.buildyourcnc.com/SpindlesAndAccessories.aspx
    - (if purchasing spindle with inverter) General purpose extension cord (240v) (cut the female end off) to provide power to power inverter
    - End Mill(s) http://www.buildyourcnc.com/ProductsEndMills.aspx
    - CAD, and/or CAD-CAM software (to produce geometry, machine operations, and g-code) http://www.buildyourcnc.com/CNCsoftware.aspx
    - CNC control software (to read g-code and control machine) http://www.buildyourcnc.com/CNCsoftware.aspx
    - If the machine does not have the table included, then a table will need to be built. The rails, chain and chain mounts are included that are used on this table.

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    Besides the blackfoot what else will I need to purchase.

  • Using Mach3, my machine stops in the middle of a project. How can it be started again from the point it stopped?

    Dealing with a mid-stop cut via Mach3, you will have to be careful if it is intentionally or unintentional. If you desire to stop your machine while in the middle of a cut be sure to stop it when the machine is moving in an upward motion on the z-axis and the X/Y-axis are stationary. Then you can choose the point (G-code) where the machine was left off and click on the Run from here button on the Program Run screen (left hand side) right above the Reset button.
    (Make sure spindle/router is running before hand!)

    Now if the machine stops unintentionally, and was moving in either the X/Y-axis, then it will be difficult to run the machine from the original point dealing with the coordinates might have been lost due the the machine continuing motion but via Mach3 the machine has stopped.

    If this occurs to fight this issue before hand, is marking your home with the spindle/router to make a hole were your home is. Although moving it manually back to home the machine can be off by the smallest amount and could cause an inconsistent cut. If accuracy is something that can not be risked, then you can home the machine about a 1/4" or 1/2" down from the original home to start your cut on the same material but loosing that small piece.

    Additional Information:


    Additional Information:
    My typical go to solution is:

    - Note the current g-code line where the machine stopped.
    - If Mach3 errored and you cannot control the machine, Exit Mach3 - you may find that reset, stop does nothing to stop the spindle. When you exit mach3, the spindle will stop automatically.
    - Restart Mach3. The DRO (Digital Readout) should show the correct coordinates where the machine position was before exiting Mach3.
    - Scroll to the g-code line where the machine stopped. You may need to go a few lines prior to make sure you are not skipping any machining operations (which is why it is a good idea to learn the basics of g-code - don't worry, it's easy)
    - Click on the "Run from Here" button.
    - Mach3 will present you with a "Preparation Move" dialog box with the location that it will move to. If the coordinates shows a position that is into the material, make sure to specify a rapid height (clearance height) so the machine will move up first and then move to the location before moving down into the material. If the spindle is automatically controlled by Mach3, make sure to check the turn spindle on checkbox. If not, make sure the router or spindle is on before clicking OK.

    Additional Information:
    My cnc router stops at gcode line 50,000 and cannot finish program. They are about 150k of lines total. I have Mach3 and have bought the additional line capability. Is 50,000 (or around that) the limit? Is Mach 4 hobby license better and in what ways? Thanks! Mike Huber

    Additional Information:
    If you have a license for Mach3, then you should be able to run g-code indefinitely. I think there is something else going on.

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    Using Mach3, my machine stops in the middle of a project. How can it be started again from the point it stopped?

  • The pin configuration on my spindle’s connector. It is not clear what number references which pin.

    1, 2, and 3 will be used. They connect to the U, V and W connections on the VFD. I would actually use a shielded cable as this cable is used with motor coils and will definitely send off EMF. Connect the shield to the earth ground terminal in the VFD.

    If the spindle spins in the wrong direction than expected, just swap two of the U, V, W wires on the VFD. It doesn't matter which two of the three wires.

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    The pin configuration on my spindle’s connector. It is not clear what number references which pin.

  • What kind of wire should I use between the invertor and the spindle?

    The type of wire that should be used between the spindle and the VFD (Variable Frequency Driver also called the inverter) should be of stranded type and we use between 18 and 16 AWG.

    The total current is divided among the three coil wires, therefor a wire gauge of 16 should be sufficient.

    Currently we use 20AWG 4 conductor.

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    What kind of wire should I use between the invertor and the spindle?

  • What is the benefit to using a spindle over a standard router?

    This solution will refer to the water cooled spindles that we sell. Generally, routers are air cooled which push air downwards through the router to cool the router motor. This has an undesirable effect for CNC machines that will blow the dust and chips into the air. The water cooled spindle will not blow since it uses water to cool the spindle motor. This allows the chips and dust to be confined within the dust shoe and get removed by the vacuum. Additionally, standard routers have a sound level that far exceeds that of the spindle.

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    What is the benefit to using a spindle over a standard router?

  • What issues will a user need to be prepared to solve with the vertical laser that they wouldn't normally see with a horizontal bed?

    I personally haven't noticed any issues with horizontal and vertical (slanted). If there is no backing on the vertical laser (something behind the workpiece), then the parts do tend to fall out. Just keep something behind the workpiece.

    On a horizontal bed, you may be able to get a bit of a better vacuum hold down, but with a machine the size of a 4'x8', there really isn't a great way to get vacuum hold down, and I haven't seen the need for it anyway.

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    What issues will a user need to be prepared to solve with the vertical laser that they wouldn't normally see with a horizontal bed?

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